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Simply Untrue

Today, I find this at the Live Journal of wendwriter:

Okay, I'm going to say it here: T- and N- cooked it up and told M- about it, knowing she would rush in guns a-blazin' and without questioning the "evidence."



No. Unequivocally, no!

If she asks those people the same questions I'm asking here, particularly in a public e-space, they will turn on her, and she will know why they say "You don't want to get me pissed at you."

If I'm not mistaken, those are my words, and they were uttered in disapproval of any spamming of a certain person's forum. How utterly mendacious to quote them out of context!: Important Notices:#2452 Mar 14th, 9:19am

Ask away, Maiafay, and ask it in public. I can vouch only for the emails sent to Jael Beruthiel, which were via Compuserve and are much harder to fake. Nieriel Raina will have to reply for herself, but I doubt she would jeopardize her position as an admin at LOTRFF to set up an imposter account and forge emails over something so trivial as one of The Battling Bard's ignorant reviews.

In light of my previous entry concerning the activities of The Battling Bard, I leave it up to the reader as to whose word can be trusted here.

Edit:

Well I did wonder how long it would take for a response to be made. Some people do indeed think they have all the answers; but as for me, I only have more questions, most of which are unlikely to get an answer that satisfies my sense of fair play. Logic is a bitch, ain't it?

Hopefully, that is the end of the matter.


Say what? How much more blatantly obvious could it be? We have a 2003 story by another writer and a recent poem posted by The Battling Bard as an original work.


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crowdaughter
Mar. 21st, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
"Some people do indeed think they have all the answers; but as for me, I only have more questions, most of which are unlikely to get an answer that satisfies my sense of fair play. Logic is a bitch, ain't it?"

well, if somebody refuses to acknowledge the evidence, and won't talk about it with the people who provide it, then they are unlikely to be convinced either way. That is the reason why it is so impossible to argue with conspiracy theories: if you provide any evidence against the theory favored by the one who follows it, it is quite clear you are one of *them* - that is, a part of the conspiracy.

In this case, whoever brings up evidence against TBB, must either be in fear of you and NiRi, or in the cahoots with you and NiRi, and be part of that EVOL conspiracy scheme against TBB.

(Note to self: I wonder where I fit in? Part of the conspiracy or trembling in fear? Hmmm...)

And let's not forget that every evidence brought up by any of us must clearly be faked.
Sarcasm/ We have no life, otherwise, than in faking evidence and accusing innocent people. Yep, that's us. *nods* /Sarcasm

I used sarcasm tags just in case anybody misreads this post as an admittance of guilt, or something. Given the interpretation of your note in the Seven's forum, I would not put it beyond certain people to do so...


Edited at 2008-03-21 09:32 pm (UTC)
randy_o
Mar. 21st, 2008 11:59 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what brought on this latest round, but I have my suspicions. You'll note that the link to 'Callisto's' poem at Open Scrolls Archive no longer works. The story has been removed.

well, if somebody refuses to acknowledge the evidence, and won't talk about it with the people who provide it, then they are unlikely to be convinced either way.

The lady in question will not be convinced, but silence may be taken to indicate agreement. Since she has accused 'T' and 'N' of orchestrating the entire LOTRFF imposter account incident to make The Battling Bard look bad, I must say something in return.

Anyone who knows Nieriel Raina and me knows that we would never do such a thing. I merely hope to persuade other, disinterested readers of our innocence. Frankly, I think the evidence speaks for itself.

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syrus_magistus
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
I say fuck these internet failures. If they enjoy being dumbshit victims so much, then perhaps I should organize another raid, eh? It would be fitting. perhaps Wendy could be our next target? That retard had better watch where she treads. I grow weary of watching this drama go nowhere and am sorely tempted to make it all go out in flames of drama and lulz. See y'all on Easter. ^_~
randy_o
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
perhaps I should organize another raid, eh? It would be fitting. perhaps Wendy could be our next target?

No -- I say let them wallow in their own crapulousness and have a good laugh at them.

At this point, I would not pee down Wendy's throat if her heart were on fire, but let her suffer the embarrassment of having supported and defended an (alleged) plagiarist. One who tried to pull her nonsense on The Tolkien Society.

Unless Battling Bard can somehow prove that she is this Terachi Kaishaku, which is highly unlikely, I say she is will and truly busted.
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nierielraina
Mar. 22nd, 2008 04:08 am (UTC)
Very not happy
First off, I have better things to do than cook up some scheme against Bard and I don't appreciate being accused of doing so without such proof as Wendy seems to require. For claiming not to judge one side without proof, she sure doesn't have a problem judging the other without the same kind of proof. Then there is the fact that doing such a thing could get me in trouble with the webmistress of LOTRFF.com, which I wouldn't risk. In fact, I reported it to her immediately upon finding it.

As to the reason for no screen shots of the actual stories posted... well, I didn't know how to do that at the time (Like Wendy, I'm not that computer saavy) and my immediate concern as a moderator was someone making a report to the admin concerning plagerism, so I deleted the stories and changed the email and password so 'whoever' did it couldn't continue under Maia's name. I have no doubts it was Bard, but that is my opinion. I don't buy the 'oh, my email was hacked!', especially not in light of these new allegations against her.

As for faking a yahoo email...pretty hard to do. Note the SEND button shows in a screen shot when you are using that reply feature which gives it away as a fake. (see here)

If you need a screen shot of the actual email which cannot be faked, you can find it here (note the DELETE REPLY buttons)

There is a reason I usually avoid the forums. I hate the wankiness. Yea, Bard and I had it out over a snarky review she left me on a day both my kid and I had the flu and I overreacted. *shrugs and inserts sarcastic tone* I'm sure Wendy never overreacted to a snarky review before either. *end sarcasm* I was irritated due to being sick, on pain meds for the herniated disks in my back and the fact I had an author's note explaining my take on the horse's lifespan. It irritated me and I responded over the top... (BITE ME!!!!) Note I did NOT revenge flame Bard even though she continued to egg me to do so. (see here and here) (EDIT: For the record, I am a WOMAN, not a girl, though it did make me feel young again for a moment. *grin*) I blocked her and ignored her, though I did vent at a writer's workshop I belong to and certain friends of mine came to my defense when she started talking about me on her forum.

If it will make everybody feel better, I hereby formally apologize to Battling Bard for overreacting to her snarky review. I was having the day from hell and should not have responded at the time.

As far as the continuing drama goes, I want nothing more to do with it. I have enough stress in my life without it in my hobby and I'm tired of this taking up my writing time. It's not worth it. Let the bitch hang herself by acting so stupidly. Report her to The Tolkien Society and FFN and anywhere else she has posted that poem. She's been known to plagerize Tolkien himself, for all she claims to love his work, and I don't think it gets any lower than that in fandom, to claim the original author's work as her own? That should piss even Wendy off. That alone to me proved Bard guilty of plagerizing under Maia's name because she can't go any lower than plagerizing Tolkien.

And that is all I'm going to say on the matter.

Edited at 2008-03-22 04:15 am (UTC)
randy_o
Mar. 22nd, 2008 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: Very not happy
As for faking a yahoo email...pretty hard to do. Note the SEND button shows in a screen shot when you are using that reply feature which gives it away as a fake. (see here)

If you need a screen shot of the actual email which cannot be faked, you can find it here (note the DELETE REPLY buttons)


Niri, if you weren't several states away, I'd kiss you! LOL

One more piece of proof that a certain person's arguments lack merit. Now the two of us are merely in the position of proving a negative -- that we did not 'hack' Homer's email account. Which, of course we cannot do, other than pointing out that we are not exactly computer whizzes. Although, I must say, this incident taught me how to take a screencap. ;)

certain friends of mine came to my defense when she started talking about me on her forum.

Mea culpa, but this is The Battling Bard's modus operandi -- to create drama by provoking people and then disparaging them on her forum. A 'woman' who cannot even spell Morgoth (Morgorth) properly has no business telling anyone to 'read the books' over a minor deduction from canon.

Don't feel too bad -- she gets my dander up too. LOL

(Anonymous)
Mar. 22nd, 2008 05:45 pm (UTC)
Wow. My disgust reaches new levels. Plagiarism is something that is utterly reprehensible to me, and even if I had had no previous dislike of Bard, this would have sealed the deal. I'd like to see a real response and not playing the Pregnant card. I've been there, and it shouldn't stop her from writing a message. :P

I wish I knew how to screen comments so I could stay signed in... but in this case, I'd rather be anonymous. But it appears my need to see all sides is not yet over, because more shit gets piled onto these situations every day.

A certain Fireplacian is showing extraordinarily bad form, as well.

*sigh*
randy_o
Mar. 22nd, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
Plagiarism is something that is utterly reprehensible to me, and even if I had had no previous dislike of Bard, this would have sealed the deal.

This is not Battling Bard's first instance of plagiarism, er quoting directly without attribution in a seeming attempt to pass the material off as one's own work. Over a year ago, she posted a story entitled The Tale of Aelfwine at the now defunct Sweet Dreams Sanctuary. Knowing that The Bard could no more write in Old English than sehe could fly, I Googled the text of her one and only chapter and discovered it was copy/pasted directly from Tolkien's Lost Road, despite the lack of any mention of a source. The story was subsequently removed and the archive is no longer extant.

To my surprise, I saw this story posted at Fanfiction net a few weeks ago in unaltered form. No attribution of source and no work had been done on this story in the intervening twelve months. This story was either removed or deleted by the admins a few days later. Unfortunately, I neglected to take a screencap. I've since learned my lesson.

I'd like to see a real response and not playing the Pregnant card. I've been there, and it shouldn't stop her from writing a message. :P

I was not aware that pregnancy robbed a woman of the use of her hands or her brain. ;)

At any rate, The Battling Bard continues to post voluminously at her FFN forums and on her Live Journal. I rather think she has no explanation for this latest turn of events.
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(Anonymous)
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:26 am (UTC)
I'm doing this anonymously as well because I'd rather keep my name outta this as you know. (if you don't know who this is - tell me and I'll give you a heads up lol)

I saw her LJ today and wondered what she's playing at by talking about how horrible her life is all of the sudden. And so publically? Its just rather odd that she's posting all this on her LJ with no friends lock. She's now talking about her stepfather hitting on her and her epilipsy (spe??) affecting her pregnancy. The pregnancy she has publically said is the worst thing to happy to her and how she thought about an abortion. Its like she is playing the poor me routine and I can't figure out what her game is. If she is really having all these problems - perhaps she is trying to back away from all the drama she caused herself by playing the victim. Either way - I just sit back and wonder wtf? she's doing and WHY? I'm glad I've been under her radar so far or at least not popular enough on FF.net for her to bother with and/or plagerize
randy_o
Mar. 24th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
(if you don't know who this is - tell me and I'll give you a heads up lol)

LOL -- not a clue. Better give me a PM at FFN -- Thranduil Oropherion Redux.

I saw her LJ today and wondered what she's playing at by talking about how horrible her life is all of the sudden. And so publically? Its just rather odd that she's posting all this on her LJ with no friends lock.

It's playing into an old charge leveled against me by someone else -- that I am a 'brutally insensitive' narcissist who lacks empathy for the suffering of others. The old, "Don't kick a person when she's down," defense.

For the record, I do feel for The Battling Bard, with her sad upbringing and her health and life problems. But I'm sure the targets of TBB's scornful reviews have problems of their own, which she would protest is no excuse for lame writing and other bad behavior. In this, TBB is like the kid who murders his parents and then asks the judge to have mercy on a poor orphan -- chutzpah.

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ignoblebard
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:24 am (UTC)
The sad part is that if old BB/Homer was denigrating some writer's story and that person wrote her and said, "I'm pregnant and I have epilespy, your review upset me." BB/Homer would have a whole thread going on how whiny this person was and how they shouldn't even be online if they are that bad off.

But, hey, as her pal Wendwriter pointed out today, "It's only fanfiction." You know, the "only fanfiction" that gets the two of them so upset they want to gouge out their eyes, or call the police, or cut the writer down to size because a writer is such an obvious "fanbrat" or "suethor" that they don't deserve to share the same bandwidth with the rest of us.

I see a lot of anonymous posts on here and it saddens me that BB/Homer has such a reputation for vindictiveness that people are afraid to speak out against her. A good friend of mine did so last year and has been mocked ever since. Perhaps one day the people she has wronged will be willing to speak out publicly against her as well. Randy and Maiafay have done the fandom a service by bringing this to light. People like BB/Homer and Wendwriter stifle objections with their mocking, threats, and facade of superiority. The only way to deal with people like that is to call their bluff and point out their hypocrisy. You'll never see them answer with anything resembling a valid counterpoint because they have none, just the same tired, cliched catch phrases about "smug" and "emotional" people.
randy_o
Mar. 24th, 2008 07:17 pm (UTC)
But, hey, as her pal Wendwriter pointed out today, "It's only fanfiction." You know, the "only fanfiction" that gets the two of them so upset they want to gouge out their eyes, or call the police, or cut the writer down to size because a writer is such an obvious "fanbrat" or "suethor" that they don't deserve to share the same bandwidth with the rest of us.

Hear, hear!

I see a lot of anonymous posts on here and it saddens me that BB/Homer has such a reputation for vindictiveness that people are afraid to speak out against her. A good friend of mine did so last year and has been mocked ever since.

I brought myself to her attention and joined the ranks of Smug Fanfiction Writers. Maiafay spoke out and ended up the target of a framing scam. It doesn't take much. People are wise to remain anonymous, because the retribution can be quite vicious.

(Anonymous)
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:38 pm (UTC)
This is very sad, has the whole of LOTR fanfiction gone nuts in the past year?
crowdaughter
Mar. 24th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
Uh, are The Battling Bard and Wendwriter the whole LOTR fandom? Since when?

Would be news to me.

But I agree that the whole affair is pretty sad and sordid. :(
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karri_kln1671
Jun. 25th, 2008 04:47 am (UTC)
Hi, I realize I'm fairly late to this conversation and, to make matters worse, I don't have a lot to add to it, but thanks. :) I received a review from TBB on an old story that left me rather perplexed by the particular criticism, and when I replied to her in what seemed to be a fairly open-minded fashion, I was simply called names in return. It all left me rather bewildered. Reading this, however, has cleared it all up for me. So, again, thanks.
randy_o
Jun. 25th, 2008 05:01 am (UTC)
I received a review from TBB on an old story that left me rather perplexed by the particular criticism, and when I replied to her in what seemed to be a fairly open-minded fashion, I was simply called names in return.

Try not to feel to bad about it. This is what she does to make herself feel important, and what The Battling Bard does not know about LOTR canon and good writing would fill a rather large book.

May I ask what your pen name is? I'm assuming this review was at FanfictionNet. Am I wrong?
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