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An Even Bigger Sigh

I guess I won't be damned after all. The reaction has been predictable:


So, back to the story-stealing thing. What I haven't seen is the "money shot," the PWNing piece that would blow into orbit any attempts at denial, so neither innocence nor guilt has been proven. There is enough room for suspicion on both sides, and for that reason I am sitting on the fence, waiting for either an explanation of the cheeky message or a screencap of the story in question with the incriminating email address. If such a screencap can be produced, I would be forced to admit that supporting the accused person was a foolish thing to have done. If it can't, all I have is a reasonable doubt of either guilt or innocence.

The stories in question were deleted by a LOTRFF admin before anyone could read them and associate them with Maiafay -- whom we have proved did not create that account herself. The person who created the account used the email address of The Battling Bard and would have to have had access to that email to activate the account. This has never been about 'story stealing,' although the stories in question definitely were not written by Maiafay. This is about attempted identity theft and impersonation to ruin another author's reputation.

No screencaps of the stories in question exist. The need to preserve evidence was not a priority at the time. Since The Battling Bard choosing to be honest in her explanation of the 'cheeky message' is as likely as the ghost of Harold Stassen winning this year's Presidential election, Wendwriter will no doubt remain on her fence.

Edit: The Battling Bard suspects her old email account was hacked. Yes -- there's the ticket!

There is enough room for suspicion on both sides

Ah, yes, because Wendwriter has had fallings out with Nieriel Raina, Maiafay and myself, whereas she is BFFs with The Battling Bard -- for now. I wish these two individuals joy of each other.

Edit: In case anyone is wondering what the heck is going on the genesis is to be found here.

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jastaelf
Mar. 14th, 2008 10:30 pm (UTC)
I am confused... but I offer you a sympathetic hug. {{{hug}}}
crowdaughter
Mar. 14th, 2008 11:11 pm (UTC)
Well, she stands true to form. She will of course laugh at Indiglo's claim of having been hacked, but believe TBB's. Whatever. Here is another note: one of Wendy's latest posts at her blog (a few days ago) were about "keeping her own voice low while others yell at her, to expose them". The trick is old: needle and slander until the other party loses temper, then play all sweet and charms and not having an idea what they want from you. Something a working bully worth their water would have down to pad. It is just another way to deliberately destroy a targets reputation.

And unfortunately, her implications in her post are pretty obvious: if TBB was innocent, then the obviously guilty party would be...?

The fine art of slandering in subtlety at work. Darn that woman!

Finally, if she would admit that TBB had obviously been caught framing Maiafay, then her claim that you (and Maia, and NiRi) were the attackers on TBB in this would be invalid. So...

Take care. I admit that I am pretty paranoid, but I smell a rat, here.

All the best,

Aislynn (off to bed, now).

EDITED, because unfortunately, I've read Wendwriter's full post only after I made my comment; and also I think some of that comment should rather have been made in private. Sorry! In any case, take care. I am not sure if this is just Wendy being Wendy...


Edited at 2008-03-14 11:33 pm (UTC)
randy_o
Mar. 15th, 2008 06:18 am (UTC)
Finally, if she would admit that TBB had obviously been caught framing Maiafay, then her claim that you (and Maia, and NiRi) were the attackers on TBB in this would be invalid. So...

Take care. I admit that I am pretty paranoid, but I smell a rat, here.


After the subsequent edits of Wendy's post, I'm becoming a bit edgy myself.
heartofoshun
Mar. 15th, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)
That stuff is really scary. Makes me a little paranoid I have to admit. Far worse than stupid comments. I am not religious person, as you well know, but I do believe in Bad Karma. This kind of thing bites a person in the ass in the end. I think I want to do something nice for someone else to ward off the evil eye.

Edited at 2008-03-15 01:05 am (UTC)
ignoblebard
Mar. 15th, 2008 01:40 am (UTC)
I don't think Mother Teresa could ward off the bad karma these two have coming their way. lol

empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
Right, so, I hope my affiliations don't just make this immediately deleted. I do have some legitimate questions.

I don't understand this situation. I've only been reading around the forums for a couple of weeks, and tend to read people's debates (the sane ones, mind you). However, when one posts at the Fireplace, they tend to be aware of the drama no matter what they do.

Most of said drama amuses me. Certain people earned my ire the only way possible -- by doing something directly to me. No matter the amusement I get out of many of these things, I honestly have nothing against most people. I have little personal feelings in the matter at all, as I am the type who can't dislike someone who has done nothing to her. However, this whole situation is one that leaves me utterly perplexed.

Bard disgusts me, I have to say. From the blatant slash hate, to the set-up plagiarism (which I really didn't doubt from the beginning), I really don't like her. So I pretend she doesn't exist, mostly. But because of this dislike, her forums are one of the few I tend to steer clear of.

But because of this, I'm missing a big chunk of the story. I know bits and pieces, I see little things... but I'm missing so much here. What in the world started all this? This whole thing is so convoluted I can hardly see through it. *pouts in the confused corner*

Now, you might wonder why I've popped in here and am asking you. Honestly? I like you. That seems silly, as we've never had a conversation, but from the posts I've seen in both sane conversation and more drama-filled "Good god, more drama!!" moments, you seem nice. That is lame, but give me my moment of internet amusement. ;)

I hope you'll get back to me and not just delete and purge within moments. I'd really love to understand all this... *sigh*

EDITED because I am a doofus clicked without rereading. Guh.

Edited at 2008-03-15 03:17 am (UTC)
randy_o
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:14 am (UTC)
Right, so, I hope my affiliations don't just make this immediately deleted. I do have some legitimate questions.

Contrary to what you may have heard, I'm not like that. Ask away.

Certain people earned my ire the only way possible -- by doing something directly to me.

The same is true for me. My falling out with Wendwriter goes back about six months from when I was a member of her forum. The tl;dr is to be found here on my journal under the tags 'mishegoss.' Give me some time to make some of them public, as they have been F-locked. I am sure this had something to do with my expulsion from The Fireplace.

But because of this, I'm missing a big chunk of the story. I know bits and pieces, I see little things... but I'm missing so much here. What in the world started all this? This whole thing is so convoluted I can hardly see through it. *pouts in the confused corner*

For the quarrel with Battling Bard, click on my 'genesis' link, or simply go to my previous entry. It sums it in a nutshell. The Battling Bard annoys the bejeezus out of me and she had attacked a friend of mine. All I did was have my say on her forum and get deleted and blocked. I wish I had the posts to show you, because they weren't obscene or abusive.

The problem between me and Flame Rising? Well, we'd be here all night. LOL
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
Oh, it wasn't a matter of what I had heard, dear; it was more the state of affairs all over the scary sub-culture that is FFnet forums. ;)

I'll go check out those entries and see if I can get a better feel for all this before I ask anything redundant.

And *laughs*. I know people have reasons against F/R that go on for miles. I don't fault any of them... while I may enjoy his company and find him to be an entertaining person to talk to, I can clearly see why others have problems with him. I don't hold it against anyone, and I only hope it isn't held against me in return. :)

*zooms off to try and make sense of the tangles mass of confusion that this situation is*
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
That is totally fine. It is a good idea... I understand paranoia. ;)

I'm still reading things (I got suckered into writing a oneshot last night so I got distracted away), but I think I might be almost done... might... XD
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
...also, your icon is very pretty. ^^;; Just as an aside. Is that a painting?
randy_o
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)
also, your icon is very pretty. ^^;; Just as an aside. Is that a painting?

By JRR Tolkien himself. It's the Forest River, looking eastward out of Mirkwood. Watercolor, I think.
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:49 am (UTC)
I feel like such a half-assed fan to not know he did art himself. Wow! Man of many talents, indeed. ;)
randy_o
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:55 am (UTC)
You're a Tolkien fan? Small world!
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 15th, 2008 04:56 am (UTC)
Who isn't, really? The man is a genius, it is impossible to love fantasy novels and not worship him. ;)

I'm more for the novels than anything, though. I'm not big on film versions of anything. XD
empyrealfantasy
Mar. 16th, 2008 06:31 pm (UTC)
Right. So.

*sigh*

I apologize for the wait, as the Evil and Most Terrible Real Life intervened. However I have finally finished poking around. Silver actually managed to sum everything up into a paragraph, the brat, after I'd already finished reading. XD

Right, this will probably be majorly tl;dr. I hope not to bore you entirely.

I am the type of person who dislikes not knowing things. I don't like making judgments on the basis of bare bits of a story, and certainly not from only hearing one side. I dislike it when people do, because I find it quite rude to take someone's word for something. You can like someone and respect them, but that doesn't make them honest all the time. I can have faith and support someone, but I will still look for the other side of the coin.

In this situation, I had no real care for either side. Other than some feelings of aversion for certain people, and some good impressions of others, I didn't hold any personal stake. It was perhaps nosy of me to go looking for the whole story, and I apologize if I offended you by doing so, but my inquisitive need to understand overtook me. :)

I am a known denizen of the FirePlace. I am a known supporter of F/R. However, I am not in the practice of judging others by whom they do or don't like, as I know that emotions are difficult things and I know that people view things differently. While I may get along with him, I can only imagine how horrid it would feel to be on the other side of things. Like I told Silver last night, I actually expect I'll be in that position one day... but I'll enjoy myself until then.

I may have no personal stake in any of this, but I wanted to tell you that I think you are a good person who has been wronged by several people. I found myself utterly disgusted again and again as I went through your posts. Not by you, dear, but by the actions of others.

I'm rather irritated right now, and can't seem to figure out what to say on the matter other than I appreciate your helping me to find out the whole story. The chance to understand is much appreciated, honestly. Now that my curiosity has been sated, I wonder if I was in the wrong for wanting to know... but you accommodated me nonetheless. Thank you.

...I know I had other things to say, but I can't seem to recall them and I think this is quite long enough already.

;)
randy_o
Mar. 17th, 2008 05:57 pm (UTC)
I apologize for the wait, as the Evil and Most Terrible Real Life intervened

No problem, I have one of those (RL) myself and tend to weigh in late on things as a result.

In this situation, I had no real care for either side. Other than some feelings of aversion for certain people, and some good impressions of others, I didn't hold any personal stake. It was perhaps nosy of me to go looking for the whole story, and I apologize if I offended you by doing so, but my inquisitive need to understand overtook me. :)

Not at all -- I prefer it if people examine the actual evidence at hand and draw their own conclusions, rather than relying on anyone's summing up. Hence my tl;dr use of links and quotes from those links before they can be deleted or edited. I congratulate you on your strong stomach for being able to wade through it all.

I am a known denizen of the FirePlace. I am a known supporter of F/R.

As was I until several of my friends were treated very shabbily by him. Seeing how little it took to be called troll and blocked from The Fireplace gave me greater sympathy for some of FR's most vocal critics. Ultimately, it happened to me as well -- mostly because of the company I kept -- and because of some foolish behavior on my own part. Do I regret that I didn't do the prudent thing and simply disappear quietly? The jury is still out on that one. LOL

I still can't say I hate the man, but I've surely lost respect for him. I said somewhere else that I felt he was the victim of faulty intelligence -- listening to the wrong people.

Like I told Silver last night, I actually expect I'll be in that position one day... but I'll enjoy myself until then.

You're where I stood last November, when I first went and checked some things out and determined that some people were getting a bad rap. So take care, and be prepared for the inevitable. I've joined Sy as a person dangerous to be standing next to.

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